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In an age where many describe themselves as “spiritual but not religious,” what is actually being lost?
In this wide-ranging conversation, Tim Ahlman sits down with Lutheran pastor and theologian Gabe Kasper to explore why intuition-driven spirituality ultimately leaves people unrooted—and why historic Christian confession, ritual, and community still matter deeply today.
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Chapters
00:00 – Special Message from Tim
02:00 – Why “Spiritual but Not Religious” Is Everywhere
05:00 – Spirituality vs. Religion: Water and the Container
09:30 – Why Christianity Holds Transcendence and Intimacy Together
14:30 – The Shift from Institution to Intuition
20:45 – Ritual, Community, and the Power of the Liturgy
28:00 – Why Gen Z Is Drawn to Historic Worship
35:30 – Emotion, Experience, and Lutheran Theology
43:30 – Sports, Ritual, and Cultural Formation
51:00 – Hubs, Nodes, and Mission in a Networked Age
58:30 – Love, Unity, and the Church’s Public Witness
01:02:30 – Final Encouragements and the Future of the Church
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So excited for a genz revival. So my son is 20 years old. He's been on two mission trips to Guatemala and he's a youth pastor and he's applying to go to Biola university in California is also applying to their film and movie school so he can make some Christian movies. I'm so excited for him. If anyone out there would like to pray for him. His name is Jimmy. Thank you.
What an interesting conversation!! I really enjoyed this. Thank you both
Yes, Pastor Tim loves talking about prodigal son. I can definitely testify to that.!! and we love it when he rants on about it cause it's the best story ever
I'm right in that whole breath between those two things. Hands in the air, running around dancing and standing their stoically. I'm somewhere right in the middle depending on how I'm feeling. Which I have to tell you is a little bit difficult in a Lutheran setting you have to be pretty brave to raise your hands at all.
I love what Pastor Tim said "I think the order then of our liturgy, our rituals is what keeps the transcendence present"
And how Pastor Gabe says "like it becomes sloppy and actually I kind of
35:58 lose the holiness and the otherness of God if it's too much about imminence but if it's too much about reverence and transcendence then God is like untouchable and so far removed from me
36:07 that || actually lose the God who came to be with me."
If we unite in our confession then you divide the body of Christ, unless of course you believe that the body of Christ is made up of only those who believe your confessions aka LCMS catechism.
According to being Spiritual, according to the Bible this means following God, living by the Spirit. Living by the Spirit includes acting in love, unity in Christ. See Romans 14.