Caleb Wait, Sola Media’s Director of Content, interviews Michael Horton on his new book, “Shaman and Sage: The Roots of “Spiritual but Not Religious” in Antiquity,” which is the first of three volumes in The Divine Self series.
Listen in as Horton shares how this new intellectual history of “spiritual but not religious” as a phenomenon in Western culture is the biggest project he’s ever undertaken. Horton shows how ancient shamanist practices and philosophies appear in Plato, schools in Alexandria, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and more, revealing to us that modern practices and beliefs are far more ancient than we think.
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0:00 Secularism is Inherently Spiritual
12:25 The Ancient Origins of “Spiritual but Not Religious” (SBNR)
20:17 How the Shaman Influenced Plato and Western Philosophy
26:10 Christian Platonism or Biblicism?
31:59 Hermeticism and Alchemy in Alexandria, Egypt
36:06 The Birthplace of Gnosticism and Neoplatonism
40:04 What Alexandria Has to do with Modern Science
46:01 “Disenchantment” is a Myth
52:50 A New Apologetics
56:05 Internal Secularization
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“The only thing that would turn things around is a massive cultural rejection of the dogma of autonomy.” Mic drop. 🎤
If this guy went to Oxford he should know this doctrine is based in Western Esotericism. He either missed sumthin, or…
The most modern iteration of "spiritual but not religious" arose with Alcoholics Anonymous, which described (and still describes) itself as such.
Thank you Michael
The moment you see the world around you with the flow of everything that I learned from reading philosophy I studied the "WHY" because men still haven't asked half the population of the world of humans our perspective, faces and speech isn't seen much on movies, pictures and pictures such as U Tube.
Two brothers? Where are the females those voices should be in EVERY conversation.
What is a word "god" since that word has never been in my vocabulary from all the conversations and reading of myself and my ancestors my skin pigment and hair is from the far north of the earth when our body expires become earth again because matter is never destroyed only changes into something else.
Carl Jung was the patron saint of spiritual agnosticism. Where you don't just disregard hallucinations and spiritual experiences while also keeping one foot in the ground. Im not too hostile against it.
I'm rather surprised Dr. Horton thinks that the rejection of autonomy is the key to cultural shift in modern society. It's not that at all. Renewal (from a horizontal level) will be found in the ressourcement of the discipline of metaphysics and natural theology. The separation of matter and spirit under Kant's Idealism is the bugbear of our modern milieu. You can't confront autonomy until you first prove a se authority.
Well well well … I’m starting to understand the significance of Jordan Peterson’s church that he founded (apparently to become a marriage officiant – yeah right). He named it: “The Church of the Spirit of St. Joachim of Florence”.
It is really what has been compiled as the perennial philosophy as well.
True to Mike's reputation, he laser-focuses on THE point of the problem: Adam was the first enthusiast. Rejecting autonomy begins with each soul saved by Christ, in repentance and humble gratitude.
The Disneyfication of the christian religion needs to be called out, avoided, rejected and the true Gospel needs to be taught and defended. Entertainment products like The Chosen (industrial profiteering of Jesus) and the various New Apostolic Reformation gimmicks, portray mega-blasphemous autonomy at a whole other level. Thank you Lord, for Dr. Horton's tireless work and love for Your people and Your Word. In the midst of the perilous realm, we are blessed.🙏
19:34 – 20:09
If you have the eyes to see, and the ears to hear it, this is a description of Jesus.
We need a new clarification for the average follower of our Lord Jesus Crist because for many church following folk religion has become a dirty word, we're do we stand with them is what many ask themselves.
Our lord knows his church and it's made up of many people's of different places for he is the head and maybe we get caught up with labels and forget this
Majority of of the religious and irreligious spirituals (including the the new agers) throughout history have believed various degrees of superstitions. I take astrology as an example that I've read and heard a portion of religious folks and proportionally even more new age spirituals believe in.
However I'd say it is possible to incline towards spirituality, yearn a universal connection, or have faith in a higher power/Creator without being bound by all the rules of theistic religions or belief in superstition be it astrology, palm reading, psychic reading, or other unessential beliefs to deism or spirituality.
You can’t actually understand the Bible or Christianity without a knowledge of Astrology and Alchemy.
The fact of the matter is that Christianity, in its rationalist interpretation, has foolishly dismissed the many gods and lords of the countryside religions rather than accepting their true existence and competing with them.
In 2024 AD, Age of Pisces, it is difficult to say how Credal Institutional Christianity offers a solution to the metaphysical, social, political, and spiritual questions of our times; indeed, it is Traditional Christianity as such—and not the fading in our memory of its creeds or liturgies—that landed us in this our present predicament.
To follow the man with the pitcher into the house that he enters is to proceed into Aquarius for the wedding feast of the lamb where the wisdom of the Most High God will be poured out onto all of mankind, and every man will sit autonomously under his own fig tree; and those who followed in the way and Tao of Christ will be priests after the order of the pirate shaman Melchizedek.
The shamanic archetype in the deep memory of the Western mind is there for reasons that come from God. At the beginning of nearly every city there are two brothers and a murdered king.
Jesus was a counter-temple desert prophet. If you want to locate the organizational DNA of autonomy in the psyche of the Christian West then you need look no further than our founding Shaman, the messiah himself.
What tempered his autonomy, though, was his communion with God. But this was not a communion necessarily mediated by the temple.
What post-Piscean Christians will have to get comfortable with is the death of philosophy and its decrepit white-washed ivory priesthood; embracing instead, the rebirth of direct unmediated super-enchanted communion with God, Christ, and creation—which is the handiwork and signature of the mind of The Maker, even manifesting his real presence.
The Aquarian Superman understands the signs and seasons, he sees the omens of life, draws lots when puzzled, remembers the Urim and Thummim, interprets dreams, does justice, loves mercy, communes with only one Holy Spirit, and walks humbly with his God.
Has true Christianity been tried before? Maybe, maybe not. We shall see.
I was very interested until he shows his cards at the end, revealing that the whole purpose of this monumental work is just to push Christianity and its dogmatic, dualistic philosophy. I’ll pass. This is not at all what’s needed or why the “spiritual but religious” movement continues to naturally arise throughout history.
23:35 sounds like Bohemian Grove and the urban legends surrounding all of that. Not surprising. Very interesting how the fringe becomes the prominent. Dr. Horton puts out such well researched material!
I think it goes way back to the garden when the serpent beguiled Eve.
Is this in any way related to "Christian" mysticism? Please expose John Mark Comer for being a purveyor of the dark contemplative arts. It has become so pervasive in the church…
My brother converted to Wiccan and in a surprise turn of events tried to convert me. He had no concept of the biblical Christ who was loving and compassionate.
We see this turn in media with the hit show The Last Kingdom that portrays Christians as oppressors and Vikings as freedom fighters.
C. S. Lewis I think clearly saw the marriage of science and magic (and the demonic). It is the theme of his book “That Hideous Strength.” The alternative is obedience to and participation in the life of God, a refusal of autonomy.
Were monks in monasteries autonomous? I don’t think so. At least in the west.
If the churches were faithful to the 3 marks and using the KJV true believers wouldn't leave
People need to study Calvins sermons and C. Vantil. The ministers and laity are sitting ducks for this new age because they refuse to study the KJV Word of God. This isn't going to end well for many in the church. They don't think they need a physician