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Morals without God? Easy.
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and? what does human morality accomplish?
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The correct answer is that the situation in World B is not objectively wrong. The whole argument is that there is no objective morality in an atheist worldview but there is in Christianity.
Your morality boils down to “whatever I think is moral” and your basis on morality is whatever feels good or whatever the cultural norms are. You think throwing a baby off a cliff is bad because youve been conditioned by external fallible sources to believe that. If you were in Sparta 1000s of years ago you would think throwing children off cliffs is moral. Im not even religious but I recognize realistically there really is no way to objectively ground what is actually moral unless its grounded under God because God is infallible.
Abortion : free will of woman vs child's right to live ? Or theft, it's negative for one who's stolen from and positive for one who has nothing to eat and has come to stealing, in these cases Here you can't objectively define morality… You need god here
Morality arouse naturally in our societies. Religion and any other philosophy enforced those already existing morals (Empathy) Religion strengthened our morals, but they were not given to us by it. Morals evolve and religion is a mechanism for moral evolution. This is a concept that I have been developing lately because I'm planning on publishing a theory that involves philosophy religion morals and any human-related concepts.
In China you don't go to prison for murder because it is wrong or immoral, you go to prison and are executed because you didn't have the state's permission. The party murders it's people all of the time.
God of who? God of people? Which God and what qualities are we ascribing that infuse that level of agency and favortism to ascribe an outcome related to a person (Regardless of Kantian or Utilitarian arguments in a vague low resolution setting)? There are many people, who derive morality from God perhaps through convergence of environmental constraints, but free-will from their perspective exists simultaneously to this environment. It makes no sense to burden ourselves by not instantiating God at least some of the time for some of the people.
Okay, our world, how the hell the earth form? It doesn't appears randomly it has a cause, how the hell the universe form? Big bang, what cause a big bang? (If you can answer this congratulations) i'll be atheist
You can't even imagine or see accurately what higher dimension looks and feels like and yet you still believe those exist, because the math shows it, same thing with big bang it has to be something to become something and im sure until the human extinct nobody can answer it using science, so your atheism is pointless
I’m not a believer but that is a crap video
someone threw that baby which means someone thinks throwing that baby of the building is a moral thing to do therefore it’s all based on opinion and it’s subjective. In a subjective moral world, throwing the baby off the building isn’t objectively wrong. However in an objective morality world it is wrong as it’s indisputable
Not sure what this argument wants to prove 🙂 It is as dumb as it gets 😀 God is outside of Continuum or otherwise God is not God . You have free will so what ever you do with it is on you or the one doing action , what ever that action might be. Saying God is responsible for your action is only showing you are a child that wants to toss responsibility to someone else. That is what females do and children . In short when ever an atheist says world is bad so God must be to blame. All i hear is a child nagging over a toy .
Bro, if you live in a world where God does exist, you can't judge a world that may not have a God, you're looking through the different spectrum all together. Of course you're gonna get the same answer from the same person who believes in God, you forget how uncivilised people were with religions that didn't have our God or with no religion. Morals laws etc steam from it.
yeah that's true in one case that this life is everything
Islamic faith solve this by just saying this life is just a test
and islam says that the God put this feeling about what is true or wrong
called(firrah فطرة)
but it isn't enough you need a base
like Hitler he saw himself as a victim but another person sees him as rhe biggest criminal
fitrah isn't enough
I believe that people believing in god and heaven has kept world leaders in check in the past. just look at pol pot, Jospeh Stalin and chair Mao they where atheist and outlawed religion they also orchestrated some of the biggest genocides in recorded history.
I don't believe in God or morals.
This is such a weak arguement
It is not Just like that Simple . God is in The World, and He sent that Baby to The World . And in the end He Will do Justice. We all need Him; and believe me, you do not want His Wrath ; He is what He Is and we should all respect that .
World B can't exist.
Why would morality be a thing without reason. For example why wouldn't you want to just go out and have sex with everyone
In world b isn't wrong because you look at history and they used to do this all the time
The problem with this question is you're asking a world with God a question about morality. It will believe it's wrong because they have God. You go to a South American tribe who does not have God will they say it's bad no
Question Why is a baby being thrown off a building wrong? Who says it's wrong
As a Christian, I'd answer it: "No, that is not wrong in a world without God". The atheists don't have an answer for this either. Not sure what point of the hypothetical is. I know it's only for reactions, and nothing actually logical. If that happened in this world (where God doesn't exist in their views) what grounding do they have to even suggest it was wrong? Atheists are logically impaired…
The answer would be without God no it isn't wrong. Nothing is.
This argument sounds powerful at first, but it actually confuses moral knowledge with the foundation of morality.
The Christian claim is NOT:
“Atheists can’t recognize moral truths.”
The Christian claim is:
“Without God, there is no objective foundation for moral truths.”
That is a completely different argument.
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The Core Error in the Atheist Experience Argument
The host asks:
* If God exists and a baby is thrown off a building → wrong.
* If God does not exist and a baby is thrown off a building → still wrong.
Then concludes:
“Therefore God is unnecessary for morality.”
But this does not follow logically.
The question is NOT:
“Can humans feel moral outrage without belief in God?”
The real question is:
“What makes something objectively wrong in the first place?”
Those are two different issues.
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The Difference Between Moral Epistemology and Moral Ontology
This debate mixes up two philosophical categories.
Moral Epistemology
“How do we KNOW moral truths?”
Humans can:
* feel empathy
* recognize suffering
* form moral intuitions
Even atheists can recognize evil.
Catholics fully agree.
Moral Ontology
“What MAKES moral truths objectively real?”
That is the real debate.
Without God, morality becomes:
* evolutionary preference
* social convention
* survival strategy
* emotional reaction
* cultural consensus
But none of those create true objective moral obligations.
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The Main Problem for Atheism
If there is:
* no God,
* no transcendent lawgiver,
* no eternal moral standard,
then moral statements become difficult to ground objectively.
Under atheistic materialism:
* humans are accidental products of chemistry,
* morality is ultimately brain states,
* and “wrong” reduces to preference or social conditioning.
In that worldview, saying:
“Throwing babies off buildings is objectively evil”
becomes philosophically difficult to justify.
You can say:
* “I dislike it.”
* “Society condemns it.”
* “Evolution selected against it.”
But objective evil is harder to establish.
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The Christian Position
Christianity teaches that morality flows from God’s nature.
God is not merely inventing arbitrary rules.
Rather:
* God IS goodness itself.
* Moral law reflects His eternal nature.
This is why morality is objective and binding.
CPDV References
God as the source of goodness
“No one is good except God alone.”
— Mark 10:18
Moral law written on the heart
“For when the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature those things that are of the law… they show the work of the law written in their hearts.”
— Romans 2:14–15
This explains why even nonbelievers recognize moral truths.
Catholicism has always taught this.
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The Catechism
Catechism of the Catholic Church §1954
“The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil.”
Even atheists possess conscience because humans are made in God’s image.
The atheist recognizing evil does NOT disprove God.
It actually supports the existence of objective moral law.
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The Self-Defeating Nature of the Argument
Ironically, the argument assumes objective morality while trying to deny the foundation for it.
The host acts as though:
“Throwing babies off buildings is truly wrong everywhere and always.”
But on what basis?
If morality is merely:
* evolved behavior,
* social agreement,
* or personal preference,
then no act is objectively evil.
At most you can say:
“Most humans strongly dislike this behavior.”
But Christianity says:
“No — it is objectively evil because human beings possess intrinsic dignity given by God.”
That is a much stronger foundation.
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The “Euthyphro Dilemma” Objection
Atheists often respond:
“Is something good because God commands it, or does God command it because it’s good?”
Christian theology answered this centuries ago.
The answer is:
Goodness is rooted in God’s nature itself.
God does not arbitrarily invent morality.
Nor is goodness external to Him.
God IS the eternal standard of goodness.
References
* Saint Thomas Aquinas
* Saint Augustine of Hippo
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The Church Fathers
Saint Augustine of Hippo
Argued that evil is not merely preference but a privation of the good grounded in God.
Saint Thomas Aquinas
Taught that natural law derives from eternal law:
Human reason participates in God’s eternal moral order.
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The Real Irony
The atheist in this clip is actually borrowing from a moral framework inherited from:
* Judaism,
* Christianity,
* natural law philosophy.
The modern Western belief that:
* all humans possess dignity,
* children deserve protection,
* cruelty is objectively evil,
did not emerge from atheistic materialism.
It emerged from the biblical worldview.
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Short Rebuttal Version
The argument confuses recognizing morality with grounding morality.
Christians don’t claim atheists can’t recognize evil. Romans 2 says moral law is written on the human heart.
The real question is: what makes morality objectively binding?
If God doesn’t exist, morality reduces to preference, biology, or social consensus. You can say “I dislike throwing babies off buildings,” but why is it objectively evil?
Christianity grounds morality in God’s nature itself — not arbitrary rules, but eternal goodness.
So you said something is wrong noatter the situation? You just proved absolute morality bro.
World B- “A baby is thrown off a cliff, and God doesn’t exist, did something wrong happen?” No. If God doesn’t exist, that baby is just ATOMS, you don’t matter if God doesn’t exist, your life, friends, relationships, planet, doesn’t matter a BIT if God doesn’t exist, because it’ll all just go back to the same scenario 40 Sextillion years later. Take the creator of existence from things, and it’s all meaningless, cause it’ll all just continue forever and ever and ever, without consequences. This is the reason why we put God there, because then rape is unjust, murder is unjust, all evil things are unjust, because God said everyone has value.
If God is not real then throw out all the babies off the roof for there is no morals and kill who ever you will.
Otherwise don't.
That wasn’t a debunk at all… this host is clearly not very deep cognitively.
This is just the most stupid argument.. throwing a baby off the building- you mean throwing proteins and blood off the building ?
I mean sure you can be mad that it is wrong it is wrong… But without god…… Its just valueless action….neither wrong or right
no matter how much you think its wrong it's actually isn't wrong.
A person that said it's right has the same value as you saying it's wrong based on feeling.
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This so stupid of you to use someone who clearly doesn't understand your question if we made up god we made up ethics without a creator there isn't wrong and good
Yet what do we define as moral when that definition changes form and shape over the centuries? Throwing a baby off a cliff, or child sacrifice, would be considered fine and good in some cultures but not others. So whose morality is correct? Why yours? What do you base yours off of?
So this video proves literally nothing
why do they always go to dead babies
get some sun man
so shallow and dumb.
The atheist is just making it up unless he is believing something else. Atheists bring their reasoning to the debate table with God who is by defitanove their reasoning.