Join Sandra for an incredible, in-depth conversation with Makai Ellias Calles, a health reporter for The Epoch Times and host of the fascinating YouTube show, The Upgrade. Makai’s background is deeply rooted in rigorous science—holding degrees in biomedical sciences and classical humanities, conducting research at the University of Maryland, and serving as a visiting scholar at Harvard University. However, his personal journey into the mysteries of consciousness began at just seven years old when a venomous scorpion sting in Mexico led to a vivid out-of-body experience.
In this episode, we dive deep into his breathtaking new documentary, “Final Hours: Is Death Really the End?:, and explore the profound empirical evidence that consciousness survives physical death.
We discuss the details of some of the most compelling NDE cases in the world, including:
-Dr. Eben Alexander:The neurosurgeon who journeyed to the afterlife while his neocortex was completely offline, and the stunning validation he received involving a biological sister he had never met.
-Anita Moorjani: Her miraculous, spontaneous healing from terminal cancer after her near-death experience taught her that fear was the root of her illness and that she must return to live fearlessly.
-Bubba Herrick: A 19-year-old baseball player who experienced a profound life review, played basketball in heaven with his late stepdad, and returned to Earth with a mission to never live with regret.
-Tricia Barker: he incredible “veridical perception” of seeing her health-nut stepfather buying a Snickers bar from a vending machine while her consciousness was floating outside her body.
Makai also shares life-changing insights from his show, The Upgrade, explaining how science proves that living with gratitude, awe, and generosity actively improves our physical health and immune systems. This episode is a beautiful reminder that our actions have a massive “ripple effect” and that we are all meant to live fearlessly and love deeply.
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Excellent interview. Makai is clear, eloquent and very passionate about the subject. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you,
Let us not be fooled! We do not want to be one of those who will be turned away on that day when men stand before God. The way is narrow, and the road is straight, and FEW be that find it.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Verse 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
Our sin has set us all on the road to hell and no amount of good will fix the sin we have done. We have ALL sinned. It is not about the type of sin or how much sin. It is about the fact that we have sinned. For
that reason we all need a Savior.
If we want forgiveness for our sin and peace with God. If we want to escape eternal hell. If we want to go to heaven we must understand the following. We DO NOT get saved (go to heaven), get right with God,
forgiven, by being good, by being religious, by just believing in God, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking or accepting Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our sins,
joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread and the wine, or doing all these things accumulative.
Salvation is a gift that is given to those who repent and come to faith.
Eph. 2:8 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ and remain a rebel against God. The word repent, from the Greek word "metanoia", means a change of mind or direction and that change is about our attitude towards God.
God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repents. It is like the word About-face which is a 180-degree turn. We turn from not wanting God fully in our lives to willfully surrendering to Him to lead our lives.
When any person comes to the place where they are broken over their sin toward God to the point that they want to get right with God no matter what it will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
We then take that willing heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Master and that becomes faith. At that moment God's grace through Christ is freely applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of sinning. 1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's[b] seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. v.10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
Our first command after salvation is to be baptized. Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will never again be our practice 2Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's[b] seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
REV. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Makai produces great informational Youtube videos and his documentary, Final Hours is very well done. I've seen many interviews with the NDE'ers he interviewed and Final Hours presents their stories in a much deeper way. Very much worth watching! Thank you, Sandra! Your book is amazing as well. 🙂
What wonderful meaaages and inspiration threaded through this interview!! I too had a brief moment of leaving my body when I was 8. It was self inflicted unbeknownst to an experiment my twin sister and I had no business carrying out. Your proud father actually referred me to this interview after I told him how much I I love this subject but I never told him why.
Congratulations on all your past, present, and future accomplishments. Much respect!
Thank you Sandra for your wonderful work! Been loving your channel for decades!!!
Big question did they mention Jesus?
Your all deceived when you die you go to hell immediately or are with Jesus for judgement there’s nothing else whoever doesn’t warn you this way is DECIEVING YOU That’s why the bible calls those people LOST
Give your life to Jesus Now! Not to this deception!
I had one when they put bovine valve in me. They had to stop my hart to do this work and I believe I saw something . It changed me to my soul it was an emotional experience that made a better person. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.
I myself believe that in my case I never experienced the death but during sleep after my Birthday, 2 years ago when my 70 th birthday August 18
What sweet and handsome young man.
Could you please move a little bit further away from your camera? I love the show by the way.
Here from the EpochTimes ad.
Yes but no JESUS! Without Him there is no afterlife Only darkness Ask Him into your heart today!
I pray for a medical miracle of healing. I ask everyday. JESUS CHRIST YESHUA ANSWERS MOST ALL MY PRAYERS EVEN ONES ON A MAJOR SCALE LIKE FOR HELP FINING CHILDREN THAT ARE BEING TRAFFICKED. MY STOMACH HATES IT I PRAY THST JESUS CHRIST YESHUA WILL FREE THEM FROM THEIR CAPTORS. DAYS LATER I SEE MANY FOUND. I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD PRAY ABOUT THIS TO ASK THE LORD PLEASE FREE THESE CHILDREN AND WOMEN FROM EVIL. LET THEM BE FOUND AND HAVE SAFETY AND HEALING. MY POINT IS EVEN THE LITTLE PRAYERS GET ANSWERED BECAUSE HE LOVES THOSR WHO TALK TO HIM AND PRAY FOR OTHERS WITH HEART. GOD FATHER ABBA GOD ALMIGHTY ELOHEIM OUR CREATOR AND JESUS CHRIST YESHUA 🙏 🙌 I PRAY AND ASK FOR PRAYERS FOR A MEDICAL MIRACLE OF HEALING. I KNOW I WILL BE BUT SOMEDAYS I AM JUST GETTING THROUGH THE DAY. I HAVE MEMORIES OF BEING VERY ACTIVE PHYSICALLY SO GET FRUSTRATED. JESUS KNOW AND KNOWS ME WELL. I LOVE TALKING TO HIM AND SOMETIMES THINK HE'S CHUCKLING WITH ME. I FEEL HIM WITH ME SOMETIMES. HE IS SO BEAUTIFUL INSIDE AND OUT. AMEN
It is very convincing and I’ve had experience also in my childhood with the other side. I also had out a body experiences things like that. I’ve learned over the years that I’m an empath and I feel things deeper than most people and I pick up things that most people don’t even know about. I tried to hurt myself back in 2022. I think it was or 21 I think it was 22 and I saw the tunnel open up so I know there’s truth about what happens when we die.
My adult son died three months ago. Just typing this hurts my heart.💔 I want to believe he is happy somewhere. I want to see him again so badly. Thank you for this research – it gives me hope that this mother will be reunited with my only son someday.
where is it possible to watch his film?
So in order to see the documentary we have to subscribe to Epoch Times?
I enjoyed the interview very much. What an eloquent young man, absolutely loved him!
Isn't it pronounced EPIC?
Beautiful stories but i already heard them in other's podcasts.
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Thank You 🙏
I paid to watch The Documentary final hours. Can't find it still not on the website, not online, not even on the epoch TV channel app on my TV, that's a bummer.